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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:18 pm
by LovingWife
doesn't your wife work??? Seems hypocritical to me.

If you had a sick child, would you rather have a male nurse, or a woman who was also a mother caring for that child?

I'd take the mom.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:42 am
by Patriarch Verlch
Hremom wrote:
As you've heard me say 85% of all divorces are initiated by women.


I'd like to know where you get this stat from. From watching people over my lifetime I would say that men and women are equally responsible for leaving marriages. Some times the woman leaves, some times the man.

I have been divorced. We were married 2 years and when the abuse stopped being verbal and emotional and started being physical I left. I will not tolerate being abused ever again, and I will not abuse.


My second husband and I have been married 13 years and still going strong. We have our ups and downs but at the end of the day we remember that we love and respect each other, we honor what each other does to work toward our goals and most importantly, we have created 4 beautiful girls together that we want to raise together.

I'm sorry you are so soured on marriage and American women. From what I've seen men and women both fail to honor their vowes of love, honor and respecting their spouses. Marriage has become disposable because both sexes are all too eager to leave if they are not "happy" with their spouse. As often as not, they are not happy with themselves either and will take their unhappiness with them into their next relationship.


http://www.dadsnow.org/essay/garbgen.htm

I have not soured on marriage. I have soured on men providing for women the same in the marriage as after. Man's supposed equals!!!

If the ex husbands get to keep the children, he will be able to discipline said children. Something mom will severely lack. He will also be more likely to remarry! You could expect to see the divorce rate tumble back to 10%, as women would not leave their husbands for "wanting sex too much" "won't pick up his socks" "or is not on give me mindless attention 24/7".

Feminism has not done one thing, except to destroy America. Lower the birth rate, kill perfectly healthy children in the womb no less, all the while piously pretending to serve the interests of mankind!!!

Re: interesting interpretation...

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:33 pm
by Patriarch Verlch
LovingWife wrote:take a look at Proverbs 31. That wife was very hard working.

I disagree with your interpretation of Titus 2. My home and family is my primary focus. That doesn't mean I can't also work and contribute to our family income, as well as provide comfort to the families and children I care for at work.

I am already married, so unless you are suggesting I get a divorce and put my children up for adoption, your argument is mute.

My decision to work is between my husband and me. He supports me, and that is the only opinion that matters.

My children are not latch key children. They are happy, well adjusted children. My oldest is 15 and a straight A student in a Christian school. None of my children have adjustment problems of any sort.

A christian man wouldn't be listening to Tom Leykis because he encourages men to have sex with young women and discard them as garbage. How can you even read scripture and listen to Tom Leykis? That man is pure evil.


I don't listen to him that often. There isn't too many women out there that will work outside and keep up with the home, usually something is lacking.

Children coming home to an empty house is a problem in America. Sometimes children come home to an empty home until single mother mom gets off her second job.

I would say a husband working and a stay at home mom is the best for children and teenagers of all ages. Having two parents, or working two parents is second best. Third best is children living with their fathers in the event of divorce, as he is most likely to remarry and have complete discipline of the children, joint custody, and then the worst would be giving the children to the mother, as we all know 85% of criminals come form that arrangement!!!

You're decision to go to work for extra gain displaces some man who needs the income to not only support his own family in today's economy, but ex wives and children he never sees. While women's working in the economy has increased to its highest levels, male participation has fallen 10%. Which I am sure only aggravates and magnifies the problems in society. Not only that, but the large influx of women working has made working wages fall!!! As working women will work for way less than any married man could afford to work, thus forcing his wife to work outside the home. Real wages are behind 1970 wages!

Life is not a two way street. Men and women are not interchangeable.

The bible states that man was to work in the field due to his curse and woman was to have birth pangs in child bearing.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

In a perfect world you wouldn't need to work outside the home.


If all you women left the economy right now, wages would rise, 95% of all men would be working and their sons, and their sons sons, remember idle hands are the devils handy work. There are 12 million unemployed, I'd venture to guess that 80% of those are men!!!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:46 pm
by Patriarch Verlch
Hremom wrote:
As you've heard me say 85% of all divorces are initiated by women.


I have been divorced. We were married 2 years and when the abuse stopped being verbal and emotional and started being physical I left. I will not tolerate being abused ever again, and I will not abuse.

I'm sorry you are so soured on marriage and American women. From what I've seen men and women both fail to honor their vows of love, honor and respecting their spouses. Marriage has become disposable because both sexes are all too eager to leave if they are not "happy" with their spouse. As often as not, they are not happy with themselves either and will take their unhappiness with them into their next relationship.


I don't t think there is enough room in prison for all the women who say they have been beaten and raped. Let me guess he didn't serve a day in jail? Sometimes you women have bad memories and exaggerate the circumstances surrounding points you are trying to make.

Fighting is a two way street. You women are really good at emotionally mind f-ing us men. Pardon the French. I can testify to that.

These days feminism has called for men catering to women to get love!!! That is what women!!! Feminism is trying to turn men into women.

I could have saved my marriage. If I had turned into the girl in the relationship. If I would swoon over her, day and night taking care of every need. You know I did do that at first when she demanded it. You know what? She only started demanding more, until I told her, you are perfectly capable, do it yourself.

My views on marriage are not soured. My problem is with women wanting to be provided for after marriage like they were in the marriage via alimony and child support. Not what one would expect from man's supposed equals!!!! Can't afford said child, than give the children to the men, who will be in control of the children disciplinarian wise, the child will most likely have a new mother, and will not grow up to be a criminal.

well...

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:21 am
by LovingWife
In my case, my children are much better off with me working. Daddy is a teacher, he brings them home every day after school. If they are sick, one of us stays home. Financially, they are able to live in a better neighborhood and go to better schools than if we had to live on Dad's teacher income.

I am not "displacing" a man by choosing to work, although I did get a good chuckle out of your theory. On my ward alone, there are 6 full time positions open that we can't fill. There is a big shortage of qualified, trained nurses right now. 90 percent of the male nurses I know don't want to work in pediatrics or maternity. They want the jobs with the adrenaline rush, ER or critical care.

To be honest, even if we didnt' need the income, I would still work. I love my job, and feel strongly it is where God wants me. My pastor's wife works, and they have a strong and happy family.

If all women left the workplace, the economy would collapse. Besides, the unemployment rate right now is only 4.7 percent. That is pretty good, I think.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:00 pm
by Hremom
LovingWife,

I think we are wasting our time trying to have any kind of conversation with Patriarch Verlch. He apparently thinks women are always wrong, always selfish and self centered and men are always their victims. My advice is to quit trying to have a rational debate with an irrational man, have pity on him, his life has apparently made him a lonely, bitter man.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:43 am
by Patriarch Verlch
"Financially, they are able to live in a better neighborhood and go to better schools than if we had to live on Dad's teacher income."

First of all the only victims that men have been as of late, are being discriminated for being white males in the job application process. Due to affirmative action and hiring quotas. White males are the only group openly discriminated against in this day and age, does that sound very equal?

Case in point and a minor example is female fire fighters. She automatically has to be hired, yet 100% of them can barely stand, if stand at all a 24ft. ladder.

A Fire Unit out east actually shed gear to make it easier for women to fight fires. Ropes was what they shed amongst other gear. So 5 men died on the roof of a building when they had no way down!! Another example is women fire fighters cannot carry a human being down flights of stairs. They can drag you, not carry you. In other words female fire fighters are only fit to save pets, if they can do so without killing themselves.

Political correctness with a blind eye to reality is killing us in this greatest nation on earth.

I tell feminists to take their rubbish and place it in the dumpster where it belongs.

As for you displacing men in the economy, women have. If you have read anything I have posted in the last 30 years men have lost 10% of us men in the workforce, while women have gone to 60% or so of all women work. Not only that with women flooding the market place with only the needs of a secondary income, wages have fallen to poverty levels. Now it is hard to support yourself on a medium income because over 85% of our income goes to bills these days, whereas in the 50's only 30% of our income went to bills. A time when women mostly stayed home, only 10% of women worked then.

Now women have to work, or just be barren and support themselves.

"If you women continue to demand your choice to work, you will so upset the economy of this country that the time will come when you will not have a choice. You will have to work."~ Helen Andelin of Fascinating Womanhood.


We could survive without women working. We just would have to downsize, buy a smaller house, a smaller car, a cheaper cell phone program.

Latch key children are worse off than their peers of products of stay at home mothers who breast fed their children. Products of stay at home mothers who did not breast feed are the most inferior product of all. The poorer the bigger chance these products will turn out to be criminals.

I think you feminists need to do a better job of explaining your views and not you're personal insults. I have yet to meet a feminist that knows anything at all.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:15 pm
by afterthought
I'm sorry you are so soured on marriage and American women. From what I've seen men and women both fail to honor their vowes of love, honor and respecting their spouses. Marriage has become disposable because both sexes are all too eager to leave if they are not "happy" with their spouse. As often as not, they are not happy with themselves either and will take their unhappiness with them into their next relationship.


In general, I like what you've said and agree with your comment on personal unhappiness and 'disposable' marriages.

I have lived and worked in Europe and around the world. It's very, very different here in America, for men and women to stay married. Though men, through the ages and traditionally been the 'cheaters' in a marriage, may I add, respectfully, that there is a 'new mentality' for women in the States, regarding the workplace........but I'm not sure that 'new mentality' is actually granting women (or men) the freedom that they seek, nor the happiness they desire. Fact is, since the Women's Movement began in the late 1960's in the US, that the divorce rates have shot up considerably. Could there be another explanation? I don't know.......